Friday, July 18, 2008
Ohhh! Ron Bailey really punctured the Discovery Institute contingent at Freedomfest!
The DI never admits defeat and never admits it has no response to any argument. In response to Michael Shermer pointing out that IDers have produced no science, Robert Crowther actually replies:
I guess he's not familiar with the Biologic Institute, or the lab research being done by scientists like Scott Minnich, Ralph Seelke and others.
But the best that Crowther can do with Bailey is call the "Designer" he proposed to discuss -- super-intelligent purple space squids -- "purple people eaters" and huff that Bailey's tack "disrespected his audience," presumably by taking ID less than seriously. But nobody in the scientific community takes ID seriously as science, not even the IDers themselves, given that they have to propose a change in the definition of science in order to get it included. What was "disrespected" -- when the term is interpreted to mean "exposed as inane" -- was ID itself.
Leaving the DI speechless is an accomplishment few if any have achieved. My hat's off, sir!
... discussed "leaky growth," in microbial colonies at high densities, leading to horizontal transfer of genetic information, and announced that under such conditions she had actually found a novel variant that seemed to lead to enhanced colony growth. Gunther Wagner said, "So, a beneficial mutation happened right in your lab?" at which point the moderator halted questioning. We shuffled off for a coffee break with the admission hanging in the air that natural processes could not only produce new information, they could produce beneficial new information.
An answer to at least one of the 6 W's: Who, What, Where, When, Why, or How.
For example, what sort of thing is/was/could be (or not) intelligently designed? Molecules, organs, processes, individuals, communities, matter, space, laws, actions, relations, properties, ...?
These guys are actually testing good old materialistic evolution, not some non-material design. They hope their experiments will fail, so they can claim that it was evolution that failed, and hence..ID!
Unfortunately evolution seems to be more clever than they are. Look at Behe on the stand and his paper with Snoke, which again shows the triumph of evolution over the attempts of IDers to stop it.
Hey, you mean that its designed if it looks designed is not good enough for you as a positive test of ID? :)