Tuesday, June 30, 2009
Knot Making
Woo hoo!John Lynch at a simple prop has some follow-up on Creation Ministries International's "documentary" about Darwin's voyage on the Beagle, The Voyage That Shook The World, and the lie of omission the producers perpetrated. He links to CMI's "defense" that has some amusing squirming. (It would be appalling, if we expected any better behavior from creationists.)
John notes a new word of the day: "atheopath":
Clinton R. Dawkins often calls theistic religion a 'virus of the mind', which would make it a kind of disease or pathology, and parents who teach it to their kids are supposedly practising mental child abuse. But the sorts of criteria Dawkins applies makes one wonder whether his own fanatical antitheism itself could be a mental pathology.
But once you start coining words, it seems it is hard to stop. There is also "agnostopath" (presumably a practitioner of "fanatical agnosticism" -- huh? -- I wonder if that means that an "osteopath " is a fanatical doctor?). And then there is "misotheist" ("hater of god").
But the really strange bit is that they claim that atheists (and, no doubt, agnostopaths) have "no compunction to be truthful at all" but then go on to say:
But the really strange bit is that they claim that atheists (and, no doubt, agnostopaths) have "no compunction to be truthful at all" but then go on to say:
As we've pointed out before, the Gospels specifically state that Jesus spoke in parables to hide the truth from the masses"
... citing three passages: Matt. 13:10 ff., Mark 4:11–12 and Luke 8:10.
So, basically, they say it's okay to lie to atheists because they have "no compunction to be truthful at all" and then go on to cite Bible passages where, they claim, Jesus had no compunction to be truthful either.
Is it just me or is there a little disconnect here?
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So, basically, they say it's okay to lie to atheists because they have "no compunction to be truthful at all" and then go on to cite Bible passages where, they claim, Jesus had no compunction to be truthful either.
Is it just me or is there a little disconnect here?
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"So, basically, they say it's okay to lie to atheists because they have "no compunction to be truthful at all" and then go on to cite Bible passages where, they claim, Jesus had no compunction to be truthful either."
Their "morality", then, is a mirror morality; do unto others as (you think) they would do unto you. No need for any other rules.
And Jesus thought the masses were lying atheists. As were his brothers. (He told them, "I go not up to this feast," waited till their backs were turned, and went up to the feast. But they were lying unbelievers, so it was legit.)
Their "morality", then, is a mirror morality; do unto others as (you think) they would do unto you. No need for any other rules.
And Jesus thought the masses were lying atheists. As were his brothers. (He told them, "I go not up to this feast," waited till their backs were turned, and went up to the feast. But they were lying unbelievers, so it was legit.)
Presumably, they'd feel justified in lying to Jesus as well and would only question whether they could get away with it. And this is the "morality" us "godless" types should feel ashamed for not having?
Yes, between yourself and what the Bible actually says. Go ahead and find the passage and verse where Jesus lies to anyone. You will not find one. Amother atheist fable.
Jesus spoke in parables so that a listener had to apply the parable to the written Word of God already in place and understand it thereby. Thoughtless hypocrites who lived by outward appearances did not give much thought to underlying truths and did not try to understand what Christ taught. Those who wanted to know would think upon them and sometimes when puzzled would ask Jesus, whereupon to them who wanted to know He would give them an interpretation allowing them to wrap their minds around the idea. Jesus was separating those who wanted to follow God from those who just wanted to look good and stay on the Roman payroll.
Jesus spoke in parables so that a listener had to apply the parable to the written Word of God already in place and understand it thereby. Thoughtless hypocrites who lived by outward appearances did not give much thought to underlying truths and did not try to understand what Christ taught. Those who wanted to know would think upon them and sometimes when puzzled would ask Jesus, whereupon to them who wanted to know He would give them an interpretation allowing them to wrap their minds around the idea. Jesus was separating those who wanted to follow God from those who just wanted to look good and stay on the Roman payroll.
Go ahead and find the passage and verse where Jesus lies to anyone.
I see! So when the government officials deliberately try to "hide the truth from the masses" because it only wants those who want to follow government's program to be able to figure out what's going on, as opposed those who just wanted to have a government that did what the people wanted, that's not lying? God is only obligated to be truthful to those who he has already decided are worthy of the truth? I take it you have never hear of Euthyphro.
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I see! So when the government officials deliberately try to "hide the truth from the masses" because it only wants those who want to follow government's program to be able to figure out what's going on, as opposed those who just wanted to have a government that did what the people wanted, that's not lying? God is only obligated to be truthful to those who he has already decided are worthy of the truth? I take it you have never hear of Euthyphro.
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