Saturday, November 02, 2013
The Density of Belief
In one of his latest, Fischer tells a caller, self-identified as a "non-practicing homosexual," that homosexuality "is a matter of choice." Then it gets interesting:
Caller: Could you have sex with a man?Fischer then switches the subject back to haranguing the "non-practicing homosexual" about abstinence and chastity, completely missing the point Fischer has just admitted: that sexual orientation is not a choice.
Fischer: I'm sorry?
Caller: Could you have sex with a man?
Fischer: Would I?
Caller: Could you?
Fischer: [Derisively] No.
Caller: I thought it was a choice?
Fischer: Sure it is, I'm just saying it's emotionally, morally, mentally impossible for me—
Caller: But you just told me that you couldn't do it?
Fischer: Yeah, I couldn't do it, there was no way; there is nothing in me that would let me do that ...
Caller: OK. How do you think I feel about women?
Fischer: I don't know. How do you feel about women?
Caller: There ain't no way.
The density of his beliefs (in all senses of the word) prevent him from even listening to himself.
Via Right Wing Watch
In addition, even if homosexuality were a choice then neiter a bigot like Fischer nor some dead guys who wrote an incoherent book some 20-26 centuries ago have the right to prevent me to dive into bed with whomever I prefer to (provided it's a consenting adult), male or female.
Choice or not, my middle finger is the only reaction Fischer gets.
Apparently he had a choice.
Btw how does this relate to your non-materialism and free will ideas? Does Homo Sapiens suddenly not have a choice hence not so much have a free will when it comes to sex?
Actually, the more interesting question is whether people like Fischer could choose to be something other the sanctimonious, posturing, bigoted idiots that they appear to be.
I did think about going into that but thought it would obscure the point of Fischer's admission. That was the reason I italicized "sexual orientation," however. Human actions are the result of complex influences. People who are oriented to one sort of sexual expression can engage in another under certain influences or stresses, such as being thrown into single sex environments (the old army, prison) or the social pressure to conform (to marry and have children). And, of course, there is bisexuality. I hasten to add that, not knowing your father, I have no idea what might have influenced him.
Fischer is trivially correct that humans can choose not to have sex at all ... though rarely successfully without other consequences. But he and his ilk are spectacularly wrong that being gay is a "lifestyle choice" that can be changed like a T-shirt.
I can think of a few things: Divorce would be much lower. Cheating would be limited to sociopaths. Arranged marriages would be the norm and uncontroversial.
Because if you think attraction is a choice, nothing we've written about love, desire, romance etc. in the last 5,000 years should make a lick of sense to you.
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